[X] Что в чате

[Dracula]

Последние слухи по томбам

Characters:

New rules:

Skeleton Units (Archers, Warriors, Chariots, Light Cavalry, Sand Stalkers, Tomb Guard) can march within 12” of general, 6” of Tomb Prince

Constructs, divinely blessed (Ushbati, Tomb Scorpion, Maidens of the Gods, Bone Giants) can march within 12” of the hierophant and 6” of a liche priest

Tomb Prince cannot use movement spell anymore, only strike more one

Premise seems to be basically means tomb king armies movement won’t be so restricted by magic. So if you don’t want to go magic heavy, or first anti-magic armies you can still actually move. This means more spells going off to strategically place units, heal wounded models. The actual mechanisms of TK magic doesn’t seem to be changing much

Apparently the “curse” will hit lighter with tomb princes

Apparently the “roc” is a giant vulture, which can be chosen as a mount for someone in list.

The roc seemed to be correct, just not as an upgrade to carrion, who seem to be generally staying the same

Rumours of some sort of warrior priest, like the empire ones – can cast cheap bound spells from a different list. Meant to enhance units + decent profile. Apparently enhances the maidens unit

Core

Skeleton Warriors

Skeletons becoming 6 points WITH light armour, shield, hand weapon

Can be armed with a Khepesh or spear

Khepesh increases the bonus from wielding a hand weapon and shield to +2 Armour save. Basically skeletons using hand weapons and shield can get 3+ armour save in combat. They'll have a 5+ save against shooting, 3+ in combat - the new weapon increases the armour bonus given by having a hand weapon and shield by +2, not +1 armour. So if your flanked/using spears you'll only get 5+


Full Command now only +15 points

Seems like games-workshop wants 1. Some tasty new things to model – although not sure why this weapon gives better armour 2. Actually promote using large blocks of skeletons. Skeletons are great since they never flee, but die so easily and suck at combat. 3+ armour save in combat is a great start for using these guys more, at much cheaper points.

Skeletons Archers

Skeleton Archers are now 0-20 units, cost 7 points, and can be giving poisoned arrows for a large points increase

Skeleton Archers have war memories ability (don’t think it is actually called this, but I’m going to call it that)

Skeleton Archers may select the “stand and shoot” reaction, even though undead can generally only select the hold reaction

Toning down use of these guys are large blocks on infantry and more at flankers, skirmish hunters. Bout time they can stand and shoot

Light Cavalry

Light Cavalry only 12 points now and have war memories ability

Light cavalry may select the “flee reaction” even though undead can generally only select the “hold reaction”. They automatically rally after making a flee reaction next turn.

This seems a bit, dunno if it makes sense, maybe it actually means something else

Haven’t heard anything definite about whats happens to heavy cavalry

Chariots

No change it seems generally – still light flanking units

Tomb Guard

Can take either great weapons OR hand weapon, shield and Khepesh
Same rules otherwise – apparently mebbe an extra bonus when the tomb king is in the unit

Maidens of the Gods

Unit of Khalida’s. 2 Attacks, poison, regenerate, 5+ ward save, 2 hand weapons
Only strength 3, toughness 4 though.

Basically mass attacking special unit vs hard hitting tomb guard unit it seems. Good against lightly armoured armies?

Ushabti

4+ Armor save, 5+ ward save, otherwise same. Would’ve liked toughness 5, seems GW wants to emphasise low toughness, light armour in the army still

Tomb Scorpion

NOT getting 5 wounds, slight points increase, seems liche priest in the scorpions body means it can always march – which is good since there doesn’t seem any rule change for the “from below”

Carrion

Same it seems – doesn’t look like the roc (giant vulture) can be added, its in the mount section it seems

Sand Stalkers

Scouting Skeletons, poisoned weapons and bows, 4+ save against shooting (mirage or something – desert sands or something I dunno), war memories (stand and shoot)

Thought carrion and scorpions did a pretty good job, I still like the concept

Rare:

Bone Giant

Cheaper, 2+ armor save (can take shield for 1+), two hand weapons or a bow

More like 200 points now – 1+ doesn’t seem like “lightly armoured” but oh well

Screaming Skull Catapults

Same

Casket of Souls

3 Abilities:

1. Old shooting attack at one unit
2. Soul Well: Elect a point in line of sight – that point causes terror till the beginning of next tomb king players go
3. Malediction of the Eternal: Unit Cannot shoot, if it fails ld test cannot move either
Still causes terror, -1 to wizards on battlefield

Obelisk of Light

3 Abilities

1. Ward of the Gods: gives 5+ ward save to a unit
2. Radiance of the Heavens: gives a unit +1 attack with magical, flaming attacks
3. Light of the Sky: Units must pass leadership test to direct magical missiles, shooting at unit

+1 to incantation rolls of the priest directing obelisk

Sphinx:

May fly, magical breath attack, 4 wounds, only strength 5, 5+ ward save, magical resistance (2), units need to pass leadership test or be unable to attack it – transfixing or something


This all clearly needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but apparently this is the general gist of how the list is going. Still haven’t heard heaps about some crucial things

1. Will heavy chariots appear
2. Magic items
3. Is the magic phase definitely going to be the same system
4. If auto-break is been changed in 8th edition, how much will it impact on an army that often relied on this to be effective.

I’m not going into what I heard about special characters but the general themes seemed to be:

1. Dude on a flying chariot
2. Assassin hunting down those who wronged the TK – swore to the gods to hunt them down – something about nagash
3. Stretta and Khalida are back
4. High Liche Priest riding giant flaming vulture from the underworld

This stuff was so vague that its probably just nonsense – who knows

the casket/obslisk will be like the plague furnance/screaming bell - same plastic set, with similar based compnents

[Tiran]

первая мысль - круто

вторая мысль - попытка совместить андедов и не андедов

третья и окончательная мысль - томбы потеряют свою уникальность и станут похожи на остальных

Наверное это неплохо

Но плюшки которые описаны - это круть...
Похоже большой четверке придется подвинуться)

[Komandoss]

А подскажите незнающиму, кто сейчас составляет большую четверку?)

[Kenji-no Sorata]

Демоны Хаоса, Вампиры, ДаркЭльфы и ХайЭльфы

[Ermine]

Демоны Хаоса, Вампиры, ДаркЭльфы и ХайЭльфы

Не надо грязи. Четвёртые - лизарды.

[Dracula]

Да-да, конечно, лиззи! =))))))))

[Artificial intelligence Virus]

если им магию с мувом оставят мобильные станут коробки их.

[Tiran]

написано выше что не оставят якобы

З.Ы. 2 Иван думаю хаи круче лизардов будут

[Илья Dedushka]

Вуууууды!!!Вуууууууууды!!!!!))))))))

[Tiran]

вуды тихо прячутся по лесам, когда серьезные парни дубасят друг друга))))

[Aletagro]

З.Ы. 2 Иван думаю хаи круче лизардов будут

Нет. Хаи точно ничего не могут сделать с дарками и, наверняка, с вампами и демонами. А лизарды могут играть против этих армий вполне успешно. Да и против хаев тоже.

[Kenji-no Sorata]

Я остаюсь при своём мнении, что лизарды не входят в четвёрку лучших. "фдисятке" - согласен. ((:

[Алмазный_Бретонец]

Я остаюсь при своём мнении, что лизарды не входят в четвёрку лучших. "фдисятке" - согласен. ((:

кенджо, потому что ты неправильными лизардами играешь (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Anatole]

Прозрачный намек на фразу с турнира (IMG:style_emoticons/default/megalol.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/megalol.gif)

[Ditrih]

два крупнейших в стране личных турнира, из тех что прошли в этом году выйграли жабы.
зы да они в биг четверке, никак не хаи)

[Tiran]

озвучь имена тех кто играл и все встанет на свои места)

[Ditrih]

в смысле за лизардов или вообще всех?
оба этих турнира (Rules of Engagement и Generals X) выйграл Сатурин Антон ShinyMetalAss из Петербурга

[Aletagro]

А на этих генералах по овероллу первые два места принадлежат лизардам.

[Andorus]

Я остаюсь при своём мнении, что лизарды не входят в четвёрку лучших. "фдисятке" - согласен. ((:

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А мужики то не знают. (с)

[Tiran]

The new system would mean that:

Any skeleton unit (Warriors, Archers, Tomb Guard, Chariots, Cavalry, Sand Stalkers) will be able to march if they are either
1. Within 12" of your designated general (which can be a Tomb King OR prince)
2. Within 6" of another Tomb King/Tomb Prince model who is NOT your general

Any Construct/Divinely blessed (Bone Giant, Tomb Scorpion, Ushbati, Maidens of the Gods) will be able to march if they are
1. Within 12" of your designated hierophant (which can be a liche Priest OR High liche priest)
2. Within 6" of another High Liche Priest/Liche Priest who is NOT your hierophant

To clarify a few things on top of that

1. Characters make themselves march
2. Carrion/Roc/Sphinx haven't been mentioned - perhaps GW is simply assuming that they can fly, and will 90% of the time not need the benefits of marching
3. Apparently due to the nature of tomb scorpions (priest in a sarcophagus) and a similar idea being applied to Bone Giants, these two units might be able to buy upgrades/come with upgrades that make them count as been near a liche priest 100% of the time
4. Tomb Swarms were not mentioned in original post cause I forgot to add them - they are in the liche category
5. The rules don't seem to apply to the casket/obelisk - i am guessing that it is considered immobile? Don't know, no mention of the Screaming Skulls either

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[Dracula]

Tomb king/prince: s5. new mounts - a giant carrion called a rock, a royal chariot (heavy chariot with bells), and a construct (skelebeast style thing). special curses available.
Liche priest: new incantation rules. lesser priests can be taken in units. rip-style stuff.
Icon bearer: a tomb guard hero, with a bsb that gives -1 to crumble within 12". gets a special incantation from his banner.
Shawabti: construct hero. counts as lesser priest.

Skeleton warriors: come with bows. may have spears and shields for +1. light armour option. cheaper.
Skeleton cavalry: come with bows, may swap to spears. fast cav, cheaper.
Skeleton light chariots: core now.
Tomb swarms: 3w, 3a undead swarms. 25pts, m5. can be given 10" flight and/or poison.
Tomb guard: cheaper.

Tomb scorpion: new construct rules. new killing blow/poison rules. can be upgraded to count as a lesser priest.
Ushabti: new construct rules. s5 with halberds, and other equipment/command options. cheaper.
Carrion: cheaper. a big one called a rock.
Heavy cavalry: same as core cav, with +1ws, light armour, shield, and spear. may swap shield and spear for flail. cheaper.
Heavy chariot: proper chariot.
Desert stalkers: skellies with two handweapons or bows, and poison. may scout or upgrade to icfb. robes.
Godblooded: new elite (better than tg). greatweapons. bonuses based on chosen god - sun god acts like mark of nurgle. animal death masks.

Bone giant: new construct rules. +1ws. equipment options. cheaper. may count as a banner.
Catapult: multiple ammunition types - burning skull, screaming skull, swarming skull, weeping skull.
Casket: different "modes". boosts priest's incantations.
The embalmed: mummies. no crumble. t5, regen, 2w.
Tomb sphynx: desert spirit/construct. moves as ethereal. better stats than scorpion. may icfb when on the field. base-contact template sandstorm.

[Tiran]

интересно как это все будет вписываться в новую редакцию

[BioDred]

Вроде как объявили выход в мае. Радуюсь. Поздравления всем Бессмертным коллегам (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
http://forums.warforge.ru/index.php?showto...p;#entry1885514

[Legion]

ООООО Свершилось чудо!
Да не оскудеют лучи палящего солнца десницы дизайнеров и скульпторов ГВ, да ...
Вообщем, очень рад, ждем картинок, пускаем слюни, готовимся всех порвать (ведь армия реально должна быть поломная с учетом возможности использования различных школ), Хачу мумии.... брутально, сипатично, и по беку.

[gafgaf]

Каких школ?) про пристов ничо не сказано, сказано только что сфинкс будет кастить Death магию)

[Legion]

Про школы: смерть, тень, металл, и .. свет (хотя последнее под большим сомнением и скорее всего не подтверждено).

[Ditrih]

что щас мешает кастать все эти школы?))))

[gafgaf]

а чем ты их ща кастать собрался? у них только инкантации.
и насчет магии с рульбука сомнительно слишком, если и дадут то скорее всего инкантации будут каститься как простые спелы а не на шару как сейчас.

[Ditrih]

ну ты правила почитай (с)

[gafgaf]

правила на что?
единственный вариант как ты можешь кастануть не инкантацию это просрать 100 очков и купить шапку (очень странно кстати будет выглядеть маг 3го уровня который как бы еще и маг 2го уровня)